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#1 wizzasmum

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Posted 08 May 2021 - 02:28 PM

Occasionally there are problems with egg laying. If conditions are optimum then there are rarely any problems, but with very elderly torts and sometimes very young ones, things can go wrong. Last weekend I came home to find this. Luckily having had problems with old Herbie before I suspected her. Vet confirmed she still had three eggs and induced her which actually produced 4 more (one with no shell, not visible on X-ray). Never a dull moment.

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Posted 13 May 2021 - 06:46 PM

Hi Sue

 

Hope she is ok,

 

Sorry if this is a daft question...

 

Can female torts lay eggs even if they have ever been with a male tort at all.

 

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Posted 13 June 2021 - 04:33 PM

Hi Sue
 
Hope she is ok,
 
Sorry if this is a daft question...
 
Can female torts lay eggs even if they have ever been with a male tort at all.
 
Carol.


It’s less likely Carol but does happen. Once they have started to lay though, they are best having a male somewhere around at parts of the year as this encourages egg laying and prevents a condition called follicular statis. Statis happens when follicles form but the absence of another tortoise alters the hormonal cycle and stops egg production, leading to a build up of follicles, which can be deadly if not detected.

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Posted 21 June 2021 - 07:28 PM

Hi Sue,

 

is there any doctoral thesis or study about follicular statis and about the fact that female tortoises have less problems with laying eggs, if they have a male around at times?

 

Interesting thoughts! For three years now, I keep a group of only female Greek tortoises. Males live seperately for I don´t want to have babies anymore.

 

BTW I keep the eggs from this year warm and look every other day, if new life begins. But nothing so far. Would be good, if there were no need to find each clutch/the eggs in the coming years.



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Posted 21 June 2021 - 11:26 PM

Hi Sue,
 
is there any doctoral thesis or study about follicular statis and about the fact that female tortoises have less problems with laying eggs, if they have a male around at times?
 
Interesting thoughts! For three years now, I keep a group of only female Greek tortoises. Males live seperately for I don´t want to have babies anymore.
 
BTW I keep the eggs from this year warm and look every other day, if new life begins. But nothing so far. Would be good, if there were no need to find each clutch/the eggs in the coming years.




It’s well known that not allowing egg laying females access to a male can cause follicular statis. My own vet told me this many years ago and I’ve seen it mentioned many times since. Obviously if your torts aren’t mated for several years there will be no babies, and although sperm can be carried over, it’s not likely to happen several years in a row. I’d be wary of removing the male though if these females gave bred in the past.

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Posted 21 June 2021 - 11:40 PM

Hi Sue,
 
is there any doctoral thesis or study about follicular statis and about the fact that female tortoises have less problems with laying eggs, if they have a male around at times?
 
Interesting thoughts! For three years now, I keep a group of only female Greek tortoises. Males live seperately for I don´t want to have babies anymore.
 
BTW I keep the eggs from this year warm and look every other day, if new life begins. But nothing so far. Would be good, if there were no need to find each clutch/the eggs in the coming years.



Here is one instance https://www.vetstrea...vulatory-stasis my own tortoises are not producing babies any more.......I just dont allow egg incubation now ;)

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Posted 22 June 2021 - 01:03 PM

Thank you very much!



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Posted 25 June 2021 - 05:59 PM

Thank you very much!


No problem, happy to help.




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