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#1 Germanlady

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Posted 11 September 2021 - 06:08 PM

In 2003 I found 5 hatchlings in my tortoise enclosure. It was a very hot summer. They all turned female.

In 2018 I found hatchlings in the dark and not hot sleeping house in one of the cold frames. It was a hot summer, too.

 

Since then I have separated males and females, for I don´t want hatchlings.

 

This year, our summer was rather cold and wet. But - some people who keep tortoises (who I know personally or got to know via internet) found hatchlings. Just today I got such a message.

 

What about unexpected hatchlings in Great Britain?

 

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 08:54 AM

You really shouldn’t separate the sexes as your females could develop follicular statis. The answer is to destroy eggs.....needs regular checking and digging but better than health problems in the future.

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 08:56 AM

In the U.K. outdoor hatchings are unlikely as hot weather needs to be sustained for 8 weeks which is unlikely, although I know it’s happened in the channel islands occasionally. Sex is more likely to be male.

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 06:03 PM

your females could develop follicular statis.

Hm, I´ll ask my reptile vet what he thinks about it. Do you know how often this follicular statis happens? I´ve never heard of it in Germany, never read about it. I know several people who have been keeping old female torts for centuries now without problems.

 

I keep 9 adult females and found 85 eggs this year. In the cold frames -even in the dark sleeping-houses I found eggs- there are bottoms about 20 cm deap in the ground. I put them there only from the beginning of the egg-lying-time (end of April) until the end (midth of July). So I can feel along the the bottom with my hands and cannot miss eggs. My enclosures are really large and there are two little hills which they prefer for lying the eggs. But there are also some other places where they laid eggs in the past and each year they surprise me with new places. In 2003 and 2018 I found unexpected babies. So, I can not guarantee for finding all eggs.

 

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Posted 13 September 2021 - 02:15 PM

Yes, keeping single female tortoises isn’t usually a problem. Groups of females, which have previously laid for years, suddenly finding themselves without the hormonal input of a male can stop laying, whilst still producing follicles. This causes follicular statis which is a serious condition that eventually kills. I guess it’s one of the problems with keeping animals in captivity and one reason why I no longer breed from my tortoises along with supporting campaigns for closure of zoos stocking non-native animals. If I could relocate my tortoises to Greece I would be first on the plane

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Posted 04 October 2021 - 08:05 PM

What did the vet say?

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Posted 05 October 2021 - 12:33 PM

I´ll ask him, when I see him. This year I had no reason to see him, not because of my torts and I did not accompany any other tortoise-keeper to the vet.

But I asked in a German forum, and nobody had had any difficulties like follicular statis so far, and nobody had even heard about it so far concerning tortoises.

Is there any PhD thesis or any other publication about this problem in Great Britain?



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Posted 05 October 2021 - 03:26 PM

It’s something that my vet mentioned to me many years back and which I have seen mentioned since several times, so I’m surprised that it’s not well known in Germany, which is often more advanced in care of chelonians. I’m thinking that Stuart McArthur has done research into this matter but could be wrong. I will check now.

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Posted 05 October 2021 - 03:31 PM

This mentions Stuart McArthur and treatment but not the advice of running with males as is often the case with veterinarians (and many doctors) ie not looking at the whole picture

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Posted 05 October 2021 - 03:32 PM

Apologies, no option to edit.....here is link https://vetcpd.co.uk...eca-PREVIEW.pdf

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Posted 05 October 2021 - 03:37 PM

Another link.....scroll down to see mention of the need for males, as in nature. http://www.britishch...tscorner/stasis

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Posted 07 October 2021 - 08:48 AM

Thanks very much!






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