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Posted 27 November 2006 - 05:50 PM

Hi

As some of you know, i got daisy may last thursday and she hasnt been very active. So I took her to the vet today who wormed her and gave her a vitamin injection. I also have to try and put antibiotics into her via water when she drinks (a prob cos she hardly drinks)
The vet said that she isnt walking properly as she isnt carrying herself and seems to be breathing heavily as her head and front legs move forward and back so could be respiritory problems.
She hasnt eaten since friday and ive tried everything : dandylion leaves, romaine lettuce, cuttle fish and carrot.
She hardly moves around, she just sleeps or stands still. I bath her each morning still but she just stands completely still as if she hates it.
Any one have any ideas to help?

Annette :)

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 09:01 PM

I'm so sorry to hear that Daisy May is not well. Do you know what kind of vitamin injection the vet gave her (it's just that sometimes vets will give vitamin A injections to tortoises and this can be very dangerous for them). You've really tried everything we've suggested, and I don't have any new ideas, but hopefully Arnie will come in on this thread - he might well have some ideas. Have you spoken to the breeder that you got her from? It was only a week or so ago that you got her and I would have thought that whatever problems she has now, she had before she came to you.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you and Daisy May.

Nina

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 10:19 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 27-11-06 AT 10:24 PM (GMT)]Annette
If the tortoise has respirotary problems then it should be on an anti-biotic injection the method he has given you is to random.
Go back and tell him you can't get her to take the drug and would prefer injections, she will need 5 of something like Baytril given on alternate days in alternate back legs.
My only worry is how big she is, if a 2006 hatchling He might not like doing it, will look at your earlier mail to see if you say how old she is
Once she starts on these injections she must be kept at 80 degree's 24/7, at these times, this is when I use a viv, it keeps the heat in, get a heat lamp (no light)or a red bulb, or paint one black for night time, day time will be as you normally do it, basking lamp and UV.
Don't mess about, get her back to the vets tomorrow.
Arnie
P.S. Ok i've seen she is 12 months old ,so she should be ok to inject, how much in grams does she weigh??

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:29 AM

Hi

My scales on read in ounces and it says 2.3ounces, not sure what that is in grams.

I will ring the vet today & mention these injections and let you know what she says. Daisy doesnt pick herself up properly when she walks, shes very sluggish and would rather sit with all her legs low down and out and her head low.

Th breeder is from plymouth reptiles, ive emailed him but im sure he said he was on holiday for this week so am waiting a reply. Im trying to find a tortoise specialist in this area also to help as the vet i saw does deal with the occasional tortoise but hadnt seen one as tiny as mine before. I live in middlesbrough so if anyone knows any good vets then please help.


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Posted 28 November 2006 - 11:57 AM

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My scales on read in ounces and it says 2.3ounces, not sure what that is in grams. HI ANNETTE, THIS WORKS OUT AT 65.2 GRAMS - WEBSITE ATTACHED - HOPE THIS HELPS, PETER
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 01:44 PM

Hi

Thanks Peter, thats a great help

Annette :)

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 12:28 PM

The dosage for her is 0.0175.which may seem a tiny amount but enough for her.
Annette, the vet should easily find the dosage for her, if I can, he should be able too.
The one worrying factor is making her bleed in such a small tortoise, so you may have to apply pressure to stop any bleeding.
I've not seen her, but from your description she sounds really poorly. I can't find a specialist vet near you, the nearest is Leeds which is a long trek from Middlesborough
I have everything crossed for her
Arnie

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 01:43 PM

Hi Arnie

I rang the vet and said exactly what you emailed me and I am taking her today at 4.40pm for the injection. She knew what i meant and that it will be done every other day etc. Just got in from work and she was awake which is a shock as shes normally asleep. She had been moving around as i could see the shavings had been disturbed. Couldnt tell if she had eaten anything tho, im pretty sure she hasnt.
She had a poo today tho and that seemed ok, was a brown/dark green colour.
So when i get her back from the vet what exactly should i be doing?
You mentioned a heat lamp on at all times? I have the 1 she has for the day (along with the lamp to simulate daylight)and i also have a red heat lamp that i havent used yet as wasnt keen on the red glow it gave out, shall i use that for the night time?
Just worried about her eating as i havent seen her eat since friday, she took 1 bite out of some romaine lettuce yesterday but that was it. Im really worried about her and hate to see her so still and unhappy.

Thanks for all your help so far, i feel totally useless but your emails and nina's have helped. I just hope daisy may will be ok as i really love her and dont want her to be ill.
Will send another message tonight after the vets to keep you informed. Please just advise me on looking after her for the next few days and how to get her to eat something.
Thanks again
Annette :)

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 05:20 PM

Hi Annette

So sorry to hear about your little tort. Funnily enough I emailed the guy from Plymouth reptiles on the weekend cos there website raved about how the rspca had said how good they were, yet the torts were in vivs :)

I will look in my tortoise encyclopedia on the weekend when im back from uni. is a brilliant book by andy highfield. I hope the injections go well. Keep us all updated :)

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:43 PM

Hi Jade

She went for her 1st injection today and was awful but got her home and she went under her heat lamp. I dont think ive cried so much over an animal in my life. I just want her to be ok and be happy but shes sleepy and very slow. I go tomorrow for her next jab and so on for 5 days. She wont eat anything so im worried about her weight. Just feel totally puzzled and unsure what to do.

Annette :)

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 05:28 PM

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Just got back from the vet where daisy had her injection. The vitamin injection she was given yesterday was vitamin B. Sge didnt bleed from the injection, she was ok. I have to return tomorrow for another injection and in total she will be given 5. Ive put her back in her tort table but she still wont eat. She is the heated area burrying herself under the shavings as we speak.

Arnie - If you could just confirm with me as asked in my last message about the bulbs etc. At the mo i have the heat lamp and daylight simulation light on, tonight do i turn both lights off and put the red heat bulb on? The red bulb has an attachment thats fits onto the tort table (thats how it was built) so the setting of its height etc is already built in. All i do is screw the bulb in and turn it on. Do i keep that on all night?

What if she sleeps in her 'bedroom' part, will this stop her keeping warm from the bulb?
Should i keep the room temp any different?
Should i still give warm baths every morning?
Can you think of anything for me to try to get her to eat? Ive tried romaine lettuce, suede, watercress, dandelion leaves, carrot and cuttlefish and she just turns her nose up at it.

Am really worried and am wanting to get her well.

Annette :)

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:40 PM

Hi

Just trying to show some pics of daisys tort table but having trouble getting them on here

Annette :)

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 09:28 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 28-11-06 AT 09:30 PM (GMT)]Hello Annette yes the red lamp will be fine, just make sure it's near where she sleeps so she keeps warm all night, it is more important than ever whilst she has injections to bathe her regularly.
Hope she is ok at the vets
Baytril can also diminish the appetite a bit, so don't worry too much about her eating, so long as she keeps hydrated that's the main thing
Arnie

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 09:46 PM

Arnie

Thanks for all your help so far, youre like a tortoise god to me at the mo. Ive shed a few tears today cos im worried about daisy but this forum has helped me, so thanks. Will keep you updated tomorrow if thats ok

Annette :)

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 12:12 AM

Hello Annette,

I'm not at all qualified to give any constructive advice to help you with your poorly tortoise but would like to say that I really hope Daisy May soon gets better. Everyone is brilliant here on the forum aren't they and give the very best advice.
Best wishes to you and Daisy May.

Pam

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 08:01 AM

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Thanks for your reply Pam, you are right, everyone on here is fab and is whats keeping me sane throughout all this haha.

I bathed daisy may this morning and i know it sounds daft but i actually saw her pee in the water which i never saw before. She is still the same really and wont eat but i took arnies great advice and used the night red lamp all night for her. She slept near it all night.
I tried her on some suede today and she went to bite it but then didnt, so i tried something else and she just turned away.

Arnie - should i maybe try some of these tort food/pellets just so she eats something? She hasnt eaten since friday? If so can you recommend anything?
Should i just bathe her on a morning every day?

Im back to the vets this morning for her next jab and so on for the rest of the week.

The place i got her from is on www.plymouthdiscus.co.uk
Ive tried to contact the seller called chris but he is away. Is there anything i can do if he has sold me a sick tort?

Annette :)

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 08:06 AM

Hi Annette

Yes keep up the bathing as Arnie said on a regular basis. I think you have said before but temp on the ground, is is about 32 degrees? And her bedroom in the twenties? I think you said they were but just checking. I read yesterday that young torts especially can keep hydrated better if they can bury in something like soil/sand which is at least 7cm deep. Think you mentioned the sand/soil mix beofre.

Hope all is well,

Jade :)

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 08:15 AM

Hi Jade

My tort is currently is wood shavings but ive ordered some Hemp (auboise) as arnie suggested and am waiting for that to arrive. Will that be ok?

Annette :)

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 08:31 AM

Hi
Daisy May has just done sometthing very bizarre!!!!

I was holding her and i had been eating some bitesize shredded wheat and a bit must of fallen onto my top. Daisy May spotted it and gulped it down and then was heading towards my bowl for more. She obvioulsy has a thing for cereal haha.
Will she be ok? I stopped her after i realised she'd eaten a huge mouthful

Annette :)

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 09:24 AM

She'll be fine Annette. Just tell her not to make a habit of it !

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