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Posted 10 April 2007 - 08:36 PM

well after doing some research and thinking hard about it we have been today to buy a hermann tortoise, she is 6years old.. but from getting home and reading this forum which i wish i would of seen before i realise we have been told wrong information and were sold a vivarium.

now we had to travel an hour to the pet shop to get her and we bought all the starter kit uv light and heat light, so to take this back would mean another hour drive there so was just wondering has anyone ever modified a viv to turn to a tortoise table??

we were thinking if we take off the top so its open then just create a hide with a passage?? does she need both lights???

also what is best for us to feed her with i know dandilions are best but how many and how often????

thanks in advance
jemma

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 12:58 PM

Hi Jemma and congratulations on your tort!

If you have a look about on the site there is information about converting vivs into somehting more suitable. If its got glass sides you really don't want them. Taking the top off would be a good idea to do right away to increase ventilation.

Assuming its a Hermann, you need a range of temperature within the enclosure, over 30C at the hot end and about 20C at the cool end (this is daytime temps). Heat not generally needed at night except possibly in winter. UV light is important when your pet is not able to go outside. In warmer weather they benefit a lot from getting outside in a protected area. One of your lights is probably UV and the other for heat so yes you need both when indoors.

On the food side one or two small meals per day when your pet is warm, what he eats in 10-15 minutes and don't leave food lying that is not eaten after that time. Need access to drinking water. Good idea is to weigh your tort weekly and keep a record.

Apart from dandelions which are excellent you can also offer
the following from your garden or (second best) shops
Plantain leaf, Clover leaf and flower, Pansy, Seedums, Endive, Rocket, Watercress, mallows, lavertera flowers, nasturtians, strawberry leaf, Fox and Cubs, Lambs Lettuce. There are lots of others - find the lists elsewhere on this site.

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:43 PM

thank you so much for your advice it has helped us lots,i have decided to try to take my viv back tomorrow and see if they will give me a refund, then i will use that money to build a tort table...

she has been roaming the house and garden today and loved the freedom xxx
thank you again x

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 10:35 PM

Hi Jemma,

That's great you're going to try and take it back. If you want some proof to take with you that vivariums are bad, print off this article from the Tortoise Trust:
http://www.tortoiset...es/vivarium.htm

I'd spend the money you get from the vivarium return on a good UVB light, and some nice hemp or topsoil and playsand to use as a substrate, and with the rest treat yourself to a nice dinner out as a reward . You don't need to spend lots of money on a tortoise table - you can get an old bookshelf, lie it on its back, take the shelves out, and voila! Or, you could buy one of those rabbit/guinea pig cages (get as big a one as you can - at least 120 cm long), like the ones on this site: http://www.zooplus.c...ges/rabbit_cage
I have the Gallizzi Mezzo, but there is also a cage on there that is 140cm, and that would be better. And the wire framework over the top keeps dogs (if you have one) out and is great for hanging lights from. Actually, you could think about offering to trade in your viv for one of these cages at the petshop (I'm sure the viv cost more, but they could give you part cash and part cage in return for the viv).

Have a read of this downloadable booklet for really good advice on all aspects of tortoise keeping (there are good plant lists with pictures and lots more:
http://www.tlady.cla...Guide/index.htm

Hope this helps - let us know how you get on.

Nina

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 02:22 PM

http://usera.imageca...ertingVivarium/

This is what I did with mine, seems to be ok for the little guys.

Nick.:-)

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Posted 14 April 2007 - 06:36 PM

Boris loves the air pump we have on the floor for our fish tank which vibrates constantly - he (she?) goes to sleep right next to it and sometimes tries to get on it :D

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 08:54 PM

Hi Nick,

Glad you posted that. I'd been trying to find my link to your pictures but had lost it. How's your tort doing?

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:36 AM

Hi Nina,
They're both doing fine. Got them both out in the garden on sunday - their first time out and I think they liked it however Milly did keep chomping down at the floor like she thought it was food whenever she got on a hard surface i.e/ concrete, manhole cover etc...don't know why... Also worried about their shells not been smooth. I've cut back on their food however I don't want them to go hungry either!?! Never mind.

Nick.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:18 PM

Hi Nick,

That's great! Isn't it lovely seeing them outside? I know, it's a problem controlling their feeding when they're outdoors. My Boris gorged on dandies and lots more in his first few days out, and he gained 9g one day and 11g the next. Luckily we had a few cold days after that and I kept him in and didn't give him any food for two days (felt mean, but two days without food would be common in the wild, and he was bumpy when I got him and don't want it to get any worse. I've now sorted out his outdoor enclosure so there isn't too much food growing in it.

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