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Posted 10 June 2007 - 08:41 PM

Hi all,

I've bee reading on another forum that grated pumpkin OR carrot can be used as a natural wormer.

Does anyone have any views on this?

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 10:06 PM

Never heard of this....

Not quite sure how pumpkin or carrots can kill worm eggs. I assume this has something to do with Carotene (the element found in all orange food). Carotene is debated as to whether torts need it in their diet, that is the only reason i can see that some people would suggest giving their tortoises pumpkins or carrots. Veg is a pretty big no when it comes to diet as it plays havoc with their little stomachs. So maybe giving a tortoise the runs with this food helps remove a mild worm infestatiton? No idea. But wouldnt recommend using your tortoise to experiment

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 10:21 PM

Hi,

Yes, many people do say that carrot and pumpkin (especially pumpkin) acts as a natural wormer. I don't have any information on why carrot works, but here are some links about pumpkin:
http://www.botanical...apepoangles.htm

and this is part of some correspondence about pumpkin on the russiantortoise forum (lots of people give pumpkin for several days in a row in October/November - the pumpkin season - just before hibernation):

pumpkin contains Mannitol, which is a known
Anthelminthic (source of information - "The Wealth of India raw
materials. Publications and Information Directorate, CSIR, New Delhi.")
A food that is nearly free AND a natural wormer? This is in the flesh
not in the seeds, though the seeds are high fiber. Pumpkin is the food
that has the highest level of mannitol by far. 150,000 - 200,000 ppm. In
contrast other natural sources are pomegranate; 18,000 ppm and celery stems with
10,000 - 20,000 ppm. Chicory also contains it but to a much lower degree.
Pumpkin contains almost an order of magnitude more than the next possible
natural tortoise or turtle food. It is a known
anthelminthic and by virtue of its primary site and mechanism of action,
mannitol has a high diuretic potential and can markedly increase fluid flow rate
in all nephron segments including the proximal tubule. Thus, when administered
early in the course of acute renal failure, mannitol tends to flush out cellular
debris and prevent tubular cast formation.
In emergency care, mannitol is used (intervenously) in the treatment of
head injury to decrease cerebral edema and intracranial pressure, and in the
promotion of urinary excretion of toxic substances.
All of the above are based on human studies - but until a better source
comes along....
....
I wish to stress that in no way should "folk" remedies ever take the
place of veterinary care. But - if I were treating an animal with
probable / possible kidney problems I would add some pumpkin to its diet to help
clear the kidneys. As it promotes urination I would not use it with an already
dehydrated animal. Interestingly this also promotes water absorbtion from the
intestines. (Yes it does both.) Logically this leads me to believe that it might
be worthwhile to mix it in diets of newly imported Asians undergoing treatment
as so many of them seem to suffer kidney problems as long as hydration is
maintained, especially if I were treating with a antibiotic that has known
kidney impact. And as a possible natural worming agent I do feed it - seasonally
and with added calcium as stated above.
Nina
http://pets.groups.y...rotectionGroup/
http://pets.groups.y...roup/Turtlesco/

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 12:13 PM

Hi Liz,

I asked that very same question on another forum before I knew about this one and knowone was able to help me apart from the grated carrot. I was told this by a pet shop owner but was a bit unsure as I know not all pet shop owners give proper advice but at least Nina has answered for us.

Fran x

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 06:54 PM

Yes Fran, they are very helpful on this forum.




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