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Posted 12 June 2007 - 08:22 PM

Hi
I recently purchased 3 Hermanns from a pet chain in Northampton called Bruno's within a short time 2 died but the vet managed to save the 3rd (called Toby)They had severe worm infestations although these had cities paperwork from Slovenia the vet is reasonably sure these were wild caught.
The reason i post this is to warn others if you purchase a Tortoise and it appears to be constipated it may have worms the vet also said that almost certainly the remaining stock of which there were many will be infected.
They also keep them in vivs and feed sweetcorn, kale and iceberg lettuce all not suitable.
cheers
huw:(

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:00 PM

I'm really sorry to hear your sad story. I hope that you have reported them.....

Hope that Toby's doing well
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:42 PM

Hi
Toby is looking much better now thanks
cheers
Huw;)

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 12:27 PM

Hi Huw, what a terrible experience for you and just a waste of tortoise life. If these animals had been looked after adequately they would have found a home with you and had a future. These shops and middlemen making money from this trade which causes so much suffering really make me angry.

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 07:23 PM

Hi
It made me angry to, it seems that the cites paperwork is not worth the paper it is written on. there is no way i would have bought wild caught tortoises
Huwx(

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 08:58 PM

kale


kale has brought domino's pyramiding right down. its also evening out matrix's shell so ive gotta disagree with that

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 09:02 PM

also i think tortoises can live happily in a viv as long as they only go in one to sleep. i dont agree with them sleeping in there 24/7 though. other people on all of the other forums i have seen think that its ok to keep all kinds of reptiles in vivs. its really confusing.
read the link below if you want(its all about vivs)

http://www.reptilefo...vivbuilder.html

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 09:48 PM

the tortoise trust say that vivs are unsuitable for tortoises
cheers
Huw:o

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 10:56 PM

also i think tortoises can live happily in a viv as long as they only go in one to sleep. i dont agree with them sleeping in there 24/7 though. other people on all of the other forums i have seen think that its ok to keep all kinds of reptiles in vivs. its really confusing.
read the link below if you want(its all about vivs)

http://www.reptilefo...vivbuilder.html


Andrew, all reptiles are not the same! I looked at that thread and I can't see where anyone mentions a tortoise there (I did read it quickly though) - they are mostly talking about snakes and lizards, and vivariums are OK for many of those reptiles. They are not good for tortoises, and if you go on any of the main tortoise forums (HermannTortoise, Tortoise Trust, Tortoisefriends, Tortsmad, TortoiseProtectionGroup, Shelled Warriors) you will find experienced tortoise keepers who are unanimous that vivariums are not good environments for tortoises. There are endless threads on this forum to explain why this is so, and if anyone wants a concise explanation, just ask and I'll post one.

And in your other post, regarding Kale: kale is not toxic for tortoises, but it is high in oxalic acid which inhibits the uptake of calcium in the body of the tortoise, so it is not good, and if you are feeding kale you should do so sparingly (like all the members of the brassica family). But there is really no need to feed kale, cabbage, broccoli or anything like that at this time of year, as there are lots of weeds and good flowers about to feed your tortoise.

Nina
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Posted 13 June 2007 - 09:39 PM

Its very confusing i read on one of the web sites that they can eat kale but only as a treat?Sweetcorn is definatly out
Huw:D

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 11:04 PM

Hi Huw,

You've had a dreadful experience, and I'm so sorry that two of your tortoises have died! The Tortoise Protection Group has been set up specifically to stop the importation of tortoises for the pet trade, because of experiences like yours, and to promote the welfare of tortoises. We are interested to hear from people who have bought tortoises from petshops and had the tortoises die, as we are compiling a dossier on them, and I would be grateful if you could pm me with the details of this shop (or you can email the details to the TPG (I'm a moderator there) at:
contactus@tortoise-protection-group.org.uk

The fact that your Article 10 certificate says that the tortoises are from Slovenia means that they were was either wild caught or that eggs were stolen from the wild and hatched on a tortoise farm in Slovenia, and the fact that they were riddled with worms is partly due to the dreadful conditions in which the were imported.

I do hope that Toby makes a full recovery, and let us know how he gets on.

Nina
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