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Posted 06 August 2007 - 02:08 PM

Hi all,

My smallest tort is not doing so well. Her shell is softer than I
remember my other ones being. I can litterally bend it with my nail
above the tail. The plastron is very soft to especially in the
middle (Is this the area of this years growth?). The thing is she
has definately grown this year by about about 5mm in length. She is
50mm and weighs 33g. At the beginning of the year she went outside
into my new enclosure at the time she was 46g. She did lose weight
but seemed to stablise in the higher 30's. However I have
just weighed her last night for her wormer and her weight has
dropped to 33g. Is she light for her size and what can I do about
the shell? She isn't as active as the older ones but does feed I put
nutrobal on flowers and cucumber everyday there's limestone flour
all over the place and I add a calcium and d3 suplement to her
bathing water. The enclosure is planted so she gets all her greens
from there. She does look very thin on her back legs between her
knee and her foot it goes in much more than my others. What is going
wrong? Is there anything I can use that might give her a boost? I've heard a product called reptiboost mentioned in the past is this any good for my problem.

Thanks

Jason

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 02:51 PM

You might want to take her to the vet ASAP.

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 03:24 PM

Hi Jason ,
Sorry to hear of your problem with the little one,I am inclined to agree with Duncan and take him to the vet, but I am sure someone will come in who is more experienced than me,I really hope all goes well, please keep us all informed.
regards Maz

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 06:32 PM

Hi Jason

I'm not so sure reptiboost would be the answer here its a very sugary substance that tends to be used when torts arent eating too well just to give them a quick incentive. A product called zolcal is sometimes used as a way to harden the shell. but yes def. straight the vets. where itn he country are you?

Sounds like you have the ssuppliments right but what about the lighting? get her outside as much as possible and make sure your uv light is no older than 6mths old. let us know how you get on

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 11:55 AM

I would get her to a vet asap and get x-rays done, she may have low bone density, which is causing the problems. An x-ray should tell you whats going on.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 06:28 PM

Hi yeah

read ur post again. you havent mentioned a uv light although you may have one. When torts consume their food even if it has nutrabol on etc. without the uv they cannot utilise the calcium etc and so it doensa to do any good. let us knwo how u get on :D

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 12:05 PM

Hi all,

I have a powersun 160w so it isn't the Uv thing. I am without transport at the moment so I could only go to a local vets and they no bugger all about torts. I have a friend who thinks it is renal Osteodystrophy I am just going to treat it as best as I can by keeping him as warm as poss and plenty of uv.

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 02:36 PM

I,m sorry but you obviously think or realize that there is something seriously wrong with your tort, unless you are a vet its a big gamble to guess at what could be wrong and could cost your tortoise dearly, when you wrote the posting on here you must have known what people would advise so please take him/her to a vet there must be a way to get to a decent one even if you have to go by bus,train or scrounge a lift from a friend, its your legal responsibility to your pet to make this effort,

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 05:03 PM

The powersun is a uv/ heat combined.

When did you last change it? these have a max life span of 12mths i believe.

I would advise phoning the tortoise trust or emailing and trying to speak to andy highfield. He's really nice and he will help you out and possibly give you advise for your vet even if they aren't a tort specialist

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 07:53 PM

I was at the vet this week which is a teaching practice for Edinburgh vet school. They gave my tortoise a full medical in order to demonstrate how to examine a tortoise to the 3 vets -to-be. one of the things was testing the shell for bendiness, the vet said "if it bends, what would this show?" and the answer was metabolic bone disease, through lack of calcium or Vit D3.

renal osteodystrophy refers to bone disease that is caused through the kidneys not working well., usually after kidney damage for some time. you would know if the kidneys werent working well as they would be producing insufficient urates.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 05:47 PM

hI Jason,

Just wondering how your little tort is, and if you managed to see a vet?

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 11:45 AM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 15-08-07 AT 11:49 AM (GMT)]Hello Jason
Make sure your little one is not a pink colour underneath first and not lethargic if so then get her to a vet now.

My gut reation is lack of calcium and UV, in another mail you mentioned a 160 combined bulb, is it too low and she is so hot she can't stay under, it need's to be about 80 degree's where the beam hits the floor, get some lime stone flour from off Ebay or from an horse outlet, until you do get some, grate cuttle fish that birds have over the food daily, don't over do it with the Nutrabol 2/3 times a week is sufficient
If the bulb cost you around 40/50 I'm pretty sure it is a combined one, Have you still got the box? if it's just a basking lamp then buy a tube reptisun 5.0 or higher, this only needs to be just above the torts shell, as not much heat comes from them like it does with a combined bulb
I use the the one in the photo but you need a holder too for it
Hope this helps
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Posted 18 August 2007 - 11:58 AM

Hi all,

Sad news I'm afraid. I did take the tort to the vet as her shell started to turn pink (septacemia). Anyway he gave her antibiotics but she died the next day (last sunday). Having e-mailed a lot of people this week seems as if it was mbd which lead to renal failure and then finally the sepacemia that finished her off. Apparently it is not uncomman in wild caught torts. Some of them have an inhability to process certain vitamins (calcium) hence the MBD and so on. Yes it was a combined bulb, I loads of cuttlefish and limestone powder lying around the enclosure and I fed my four nutrobal every day if I could find them. He got it at least four times a week, sometimes its hard work finding a 60mm tortoise in a large enclosure. I have three others that appear fine so I doubt its diet related.

Jason

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 12:17 PM

I am so so sorry to hear that Jason. it sounds a shtough you were doing everything right.

Can I advise you to take your others to the vets just in case, just for a check over. Also make sure you clean their enclosure well.

So sorry again

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 04:06 PM

Hi Jason,
So sorry to hear your news, you must be devastated, these things happen so dont beat yourself up about it, it sounds like you were doing all you could for the little one,
Many regards Maz.




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