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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:03 PM

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There is also a difference between toxic and poisonous. Usually toxic plants can be eaten, but if eaten in quantity every year, their health is impaired over the years. And they can end up with renal problems.
Poisonous plants can and will kill.

Torts that eat toxic or poisonous plants must be very stupid Sandy!ha ha!They are supposed to rely on their keen sense of smell to survive.Maybe I'm being a bit hard on the little fellas.Anyway thanks for the interesting info Sandy! I'm learning all the time!
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:06 PM

I just wonder how tortoises in the wild survive ????? they must come across poisonous plants on their travels ???????????????

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:10 PM

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I just wonder how tortoises in the wild survive ????? they must come across poisonous plants on their travels ???????????????

Good point Michele!
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 07:20 PM

If they eat poisonous plants in the wild, they die like they do here. Simple:0)

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 08:26 PM

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If they eat poisonous plants in the wild, they die like they do here. Simple:0)

Tooshay Sandy! ha ha! Thankfully most of them don't!
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:17 PM

A tortoise in its natural habitat has an instinct for what plants are edible. But if we put plants in front of the tortoise which its ancestors have never seen they don't know what to make of it. I think they use their eyes, nose and taste of the plant in deciding if its alright but they can make mistakes.

Feeding tortoises in captivity is not the same at all as natural feeding. In nature, tortoises have been seen to eat small amounts of plants that we would never feed them in captivity. Some people think that tortoises use some plants in small amounts to control parasites such as worms. Or maybe some plants are suitable in combination but not on their own. In some places the tortoises will eat bits of almost every single plant that grows there - but this plant list is a rather special one.

We don't really know much at all about tortoise digestion and a lot of plants we have ruled out because they are bad for mammals but these might be alright for reptiles. But it seems to make sense not to feed stuff we know is bad for mammals as there are a lot of plants that are not.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:22 PM

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A tortoise in its natural habitat has an instinct for what plants are edible. But if we put plants in front of the tortoise which its ancestors have never seen they don't know what to make of it. I think they use their eyes, nose and taste of the plant in deciding if its alright but they can make mistakes.

Feeding tortoises in captivity is not the same at all as natural feeding. In nature, tortoises have been seen to eat small amounts of plants that we would never feed them in captivity. Some people think that tortoises use some plants in small amounts to control parasites such as worms. Or maybe some plants are suitable in combination but not on their own. In some places the tortoises will eat bits of almost every single plant that grows there - but this plant list is a rather special one.

We don't really know much at all about tortoise digestion and a lot of plants we have ruled out because they are bad for mammals but these might be alright for reptiles. But it seems to make sense not to feed stuff we know is bad for mammals as there are a lot of plants that are not.

Fascinating Ozric!Your insights are certainly an education!Just one question are tortoises born and bred in captivity at a disadvantage so?
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 10:31 PM

mellow.gif biggrin.gif Hi Freddy, I think that tortoises born and bred in captivity have a lot of advantages if us keepers do our best for them. I think we might offer them a lot of food they don't know about though so have to take extra care.

You have done fantastic with BilyJoe. In the past it was quite usual for people to feed all kinds of rubbish to tortoises like bread and dog food and I think the fact that you didn't do those things has really helped.

Back in those days the tortoises that people bought had spent many years living in their natural habitats and had a lot of good living behind them. Nowadays we are mostly buying very young and small tortoises which are more vulnerable so they may not fare so well when we go wrong.

But you have many years looking after this tortoise so why am I prattling on!!?

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 10:51 PM

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mellow.gif biggrin.gif Hi Freddy, I think that tortoises born and bred in captivity have a lot of advantages if us keepers do our best for them. I think we might offer them a lot of food they don't know about though so have to take extra care.

You have done fantastic with BilyJoe. In the past it was quite usual for people to feed all kinds of rubbish to tortoises like bread and dog food and I think the fact that you didn't do those things has really helped.

Back in those days the tortoises that people bought had spent many years living in their natural habitats and had a lot of good living behind them. Nowadays we are mostly buying very young and small tortoises which are more vulnerable so they may not fare so well when we go wrong.

But you have many years looking after this tortoise so why am I prattling on!!?

Not at all Ozric I find your comments both fascinating and invaluable,
I suppose my Tortoise 'BillyJoe' brought with him from the wild alot of valuable instincts and experiences that have kept him in good stead so long! He certainly has some great survival instincts that have kept him alive over the years. I like to think that he still has some measure of freedom as he has the run of a very big back garden with everyhing he needs.Although I agree that it's not his original and natural habitat!I also understand the challenges you too face raising tortoises in a scottish climate! So my hat is off to you aswell!Thank you Ozric for the interest you've shown in my tortoise 'BillyJoe' and for your all your nice comments!
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:34 AM

Your an inspiration to this newbie! I am looking forward to 30 years++++ biggrin.gif

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 09:53 AM

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Your an inspiration to this newbie! I am looking forward to 30 years++++ biggrin.gif

Here here,and me ! wub.gif rolleyes.gif

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 11:42 PM

Billy Joe looks fantastic. He seems to have an idyllic life with you Freddie and whatever it is you are doing.........................it must be right for Billy Joe. He is a brilliant specimen. My hat goes off to you also. There are times when I think I may be mollycoddling my two Hermanns. They are definately spoilt but I haven't had them for long and I am still a bit nervous. I am aware that I am making decisions for them when I should leave it up to them. For instance, moving them to under the lamp because I think they may be cold, or waking them up because I think they have slept long enough and I worry they haven't eaten yet. I don't think I am crediting them with enough intelligence to make these decisions for themselves although it should be obvious that they are perfectly capable of it. It was incredible interesting reading about your care for Billy Joe. Long may it continue !!
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 11:58 PM

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Billy Joe looks fantastic. He seems to have an idyllic life with you Freddie and whatever it is you are doing.........................it must be right for Billy Joe. He is a brilliant specimen. My hat goes off to you also. There are times when I think I may be mollycoddling my two Hermanns. They are definately spoilt but I haven't had them for long and I am still a bit nervous. I am aware that I am making decisions for them when I should leave it up to them. For instance, moving them to under the lamp because I think they may be cold, or waking them up because I think they have slept long enough and I worry they haven't eaten yet. I don't think I am crediting them with enough intelligence to make these decisions for themselves although it should be obvious that they are perfectly capable of it. It was incredible interesting reading about your care for Billy Joe. Long may it continue !!
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Hi Jackie!
Many thanks for your nice comments.There's no harm erring on the side of caution when it comes to baby and young tortoises.As they need alot of TLC and specialised care if they are to survive!
So things might apply a little differently to them!
Best of luck with your torts Jackie! biggrin.gif
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Freddy& BillyJoe

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 01:18 PM

I am absolutely amazed by you story and routine...Billyjoe is STUNNING!
You must be such a proud owner and you have definately earned all the credit due to your hard work and commitment smile.gif
My neighbour has a 30yr+ old toroise and also uses olive oil on his shell, I have always chosen not to due to conflicting advice but like everyone has been saying, it can't be that bad if they have thrived for so long smile.gif

Anyway, WELL DONE YOU! What an inspiration!

Emily x

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 01:32 PM

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I am absolutely amazed by you story and routine...Billyjoe is STUNNING!
You must be such a proud owner and you have definately earned all the credit due to your hard work and commitment smile.gif
My neighbour has a 30yr+ old toroise and also uses olive oil on his shell, I have always chosen not to due to conflicting advice but like everyone has been saying, it can't be that bad if they have thrived for so long smile.gif

Anyway, WELL DONE YOU! What an inspiration!

Emily x

Thanks so much,Emily!
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:20 PM


Hi Emily,

You are right about conflicting advice. rolleyes.gif Lots of info on forums is passed around like Chinese Whispers until the actual source of the info is lost. Perhaps what we should be doing is backing up our info with leads to the original source.

With regard to putting olive oil on the shell Wolfgang Wegehaupt wrote against it in his book 'naturalistic keeping and breeding of Hermanns tortoises' He writes, 'The oil blocks the shell's pores and hampers the absorption of solar radiation'.

BUT... we do have to respect the opinion and experience of others. Freddie successfully uses this to prevent mould in hibernation, perhaps there is no blanket answer to every situation. biggrin.gif

Paula x





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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:42 PM

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Hi Emily,

You are right about conflicting advice. rolleyes.gif Lots of info on forums is passed around like Chinese Whispers until the actual source of the info is lost. Perhaps what we should be doing is backing up our info with leads to the original source.

With regard to putting olive oil on the shell Wolfgang Wegehaupt wrote against it in his book 'naturalistic keeping and breeding of Hermanns tortoises' He writes, 'The oil blocks the shell's pores and hampers the absorption of solar radiation'.

BUT... we do have to respect the opinion and experience of others. Freddie successfully uses this to prevent mould in hibernation, perhaps there is no blanket answer to every situation. biggrin.gif

Paula x

They're are various opinions on what's good and bad for tortoises .Suffice to say I've had my tortoise almost 30 years with no problems!Olive oil when used sparingly is useful for protecting the torts. shell against winter mould during hibernation and also against rain and dampness in more humid climates! As they say-every man and woman to his own'!!! rolleyes.gif
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:53 PM

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Hi All!
Here are some pics of my Hermann's Tortoise 'BillyJoe'.I bought him back in 1981 when he was fully grown! Have him almost 30 years and would guess he is about 50yrs+ now!
I took these photos just an hour ago while he was basquing in the back garden!
Hope you all enjoy!
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Freddy

wow!!!!freddy hes as cool as....you must be very proud.i would love an older tortoise.my oldist are only 10.hopfuly they will look as good as yours when they are that age. well done

bruce

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:54 PM

Yes Hettie, I read that in Wolfgang's book too, and yes you are right Freddy 'each to their own' biggrin.gif

Hope Tinkerbell looks as beautiful as Billyjoe smile.gif

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:45 PM

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wow!!!!freddy hes as cool as....you must be very proud.i would love an older tortoise.my oldist are only 10.hopfuly they will look as good as yours when they are that age. well done

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Thanks Bruce!I'm sure yours will look great too!!!, especially with such a dedicated keeper as you!!!
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