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#21 Guest_Joanne666_*

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 08:53 AM

Your posts are very negative and not helpful to new owners at all. If you answer the questions regarding hibernation I posed, then perhaps you will find the answer to your sad loss.
Panacur is a very safe broad spectrum medicine, administered correctly and at the right times, causes no problems at all.

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 09:04 AM

As I said, we're going to have to agree to differ on this ocassion. You say my posts are negative, since Simon mentioned the words Homeopathic alternatives for tortoises there has been more negative posts for that, it appears some people are very blinkered when it comes to alternative treatments, theres room in this world for both so don't dismiss it until you've tried it.

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:00 AM

I have made no comment at all about alternative treatments, I havent dismissed it at any point because I havent tried it. My comments are directed at the panacur, of course its lethal to worms, thats the whole idea.

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:08 AM

I have replied to this post in reply to a post above. As far as 'Don't dismiss it until you have tried it' goes - I would add the words *under a qualified exotics vets supervision*. The tortoise trust course in chelonian husbandry would be a good idea as guess work where tortoises are concerned (probably what your vet did) is a dangerous practise and this also goes for homeopathic remedies. Please take care all you owners before making dangerous guesses with the delicate digestive tract of a tortoise and do make sure your vet is not just a cat and dog vet making the same assumptions as for a cat or dog.

As I said, we're going to have to agree to differ on this ocassion. You say my posts are negative, since Simon mentioned the words Homeopathic alternatives for tortoises there has been more negative posts for that, it appears some people are very blinkered when it comes to alternative treatments, theres room in this world for both so don't dismiss it until you've tried it.



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Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:03 AM

Yes Lisa some animals may be allergic or sensitive to certain chemicals and so they are to homeopathic remedies. In reply to your nasty personal mail to me(which I won't go into details about-didn't scare me off anyway) I would like to say I am not anti homeopathic remedies, by vet is naturalist vet specialising in exotic species but does not recommend many of these remedies for tortoises due to their slow digestive systems and the fact that during their time in the gut certain changes take place in the 'natural medication' rendering it possibly harmful to tortoises.Topical medication is fine but gut medication in such forms has to be treated with extreme caution.Maybe you will stop waffling now and get on with caring for your tortoise. You may have had it for thirty years but you need to learn a bit more about how they work before passing judgement so highly on others opinions. May I suggest the tortoise trust course in chelonian husbandry,which is designed amongst other things to stop a lot of silly guess work where the torts are concerned. I am sorry one of yours died but this does not mean that people should not worm their tortoises ever. In the wild they pass the worms and leave them. In captivity they reingest the eggs and so have a lethal build up. This is why many imported tortoises (carrying worms already) need to be treated before the build up becomes a blockage. Maybe you would like my vet to contact you to explain this further.
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Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:22 AM

i think at the end of the day its the owners discission. basically, any medicine or homeopathy can b deadly -the tort could have an allergic reaction to it. afterall - in the wild the torts dont get medicine, but as its bin said b4, thy do mover around and wont pick up the worms again. shall we jst leave it at tht now instead of bickering!??!?lol!

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:33 AM

I agree Becky, but still stress the importance of using a chelonian vet rather than the average cat or dog vet - their systems are in no way similar. Most vets are happy to consult with a specialist for guidance before treating a tortoise or turtle and could save the animals life. There are many chelonian vets in the UK who are happy to pass their advice on.

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:45 AM

As I said before we have to agree to differ on this ocassion,you can post your views till the cows come home but in the end people will make up their own minds,what ever happened to free speech.

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 05:17 PM

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 05:29 PM

Just a quick message to Nikki, you don't have to behave like a common fish wife to get your message accross. Your aggression on this topic is unbelieveable. This was an innocent post put here by myself some time ago and you've turned it into a slanging match. Let people have their views,thats what forums are for, if anything your attitude will put people off from having any kind of vet treatment at all.

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Posted 19 September 2005 - 07:49 AM

Where do I start?? x( Nikki explained her position and argument very well, not like a fishwife at all, thats rather insulting to Nikki, she has not abused anyone.
The point Nikki and myself are trying to get over, is that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to only post to scare new owners into not worming their torts is selfish and unfair, unfortunately this could have fatal consequences.
Young, wild imported torts with worms loads which arent treated can be fatal.

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 06:06 PM

Homeopathic treatments, great idea!! I use these kinds of treatments on my dogs, cats and rabbits:)

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 07:55 PM

well said simon!! ur right - im getting more and more put off my da second!!!

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 08:02 PM

well put, i put a post on here about vivariums and Joanne666 was really nasty there was no need we all have our views if people disagree that is fine there is no need to be so nasty

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 08:37 PM

Just a quick message to Nikki, you don't have to behave like a common fish wife to get your message accross. Your aggression on this topic is unbelieveable. This was an innocent post put here by myself some time ago and you've turned it into a slanging match. Let people have their views,thats what forums are for, if anything your attitude will put people off from having any kind of vet treatment at all.



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Posted 21 September 2005 - 11:10 PM

Looks like the ostrich brigade is out in full force tonight LOL

www.tortoisetrust.org
http://www.tortoiset...es/vivarium.htm
http://www.tortoiset...les/webdiet.htm
http://www.tortoiset...cles/juvhib.htm

Maybe it is too much trouble to actually read the articles that give actual proof.

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 05:07 PM

Looks like the ostrich brigade is out in full force tonight LOL

www.tortoisetrust.org
http://www.tortoiset...es/vivarium.htm
http://www.tortoiset...les/webdiet.htm
http://www.tortoiset...cles/juvhib.htm

Maybe it is too much trouble to actually read the articles that give actual proof.



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Posted 22 September 2005 - 05:55 PM

well put simon

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 07:16 PM

ROTFL :)

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 07:25 PM

ROTFL :)


What does this mean Nikki, is it something to do with homeopathy cause I'd love to learn.




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