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#21 shaz

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:48 PM

I have one like urs. Also has male and females bits. She's out of shape to due to previous owners. Makes them more special I think. Good luck with her :-D

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 09:46 AM

I'd love to know what makes you think they have male and female bits. If they have had poor health, then they are more prone to prolapses, loose muscles etc, just the same as poor bone structure. This does not necessarily mean that there is anything unusual about the sex, just that they have not been strong enough while developing for everything to be held into place, often due to too fast growth with insufficient calcium and other minerals. To know they have both male and female characteristics, they would need to be scanned and have this conditioned confirmed by a specialist vet. Just because bits are showing externally does not mean there is anything unusual with the sex of the tortoise.



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:01 PM

Ahh sorry kate didnt mean it horribly,thats fine then :)h

 

No offence taken, just didn't want you to think we were looking after her wrongly.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 12:50 AM

Informed by my vet, Mike Jessop

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 08:30 AM

Hmm, I still think vets are too readily assuming this, as true hermaphrodites are very rare and the increase in numbers of tortoises diagnosed with this condition, seems to be staggering, offering by the same vets, plus it is interesting to see that all of the ones mentioned seem to have had a bad start in life. Obviously not a vet, but in agreement with many breeders, it seems that none of these animals have been scanned for the presence of both ovarian and male testes being present.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:58 AM

Hmm, I still think vets are too readily assuming this, as true hermaphrodites are very rare and the increase in numbers of tortoises diagnosed with this condition, seems to be staggering, offering by the same vets, plus it is interesting to see that all of the ones mentioned seem to have had a bad start in life. Obviously not a vet, but in agreement with many breeders, it seems that none of these animals have been scanned for the presence of both ovarian and male testes being present.

 

Can i ask how you know shes not been scanned ????



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:45 PM

 

Can i ask how you know shes not been scanned ????

I apologise, I was referring to other cases mentioned. Was your tortoise scanned then? What did they find?



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:49 AM

We saw Sarah today and she confirmed that Frankie is a girl and the swelling is her clitoris.  She was happy with how she's doing, and apart from the chronic changes to her shell, she's generally well at the moment.  She advised us not to hibernate her this year given that she's so new to us.  So onwards with the encouraging her to try new tortoise-friendly things.  



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:41 PM

Well what a wonderful result - so glad you got to see a vet who knows her stuff and doesn't just jump to the easy option. It is quite worrying that so many still rely on guess work.

Good luck with your girl, hopefully with good future care, she might just retract this bit, making injury less likely :D

I have a young male which had similar problems, had a penile amputation to save accidents and now shows the odd little button (similar to yours) when feeling amorous. I usually give him a break from the girls at times like this and he is none the wiser, bless him.



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:16 PM

No, def would not breed if she was mine, she obviously has a weakness there.






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