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#1 Foxjo

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 01:35 PM

Hi our tortoise is starting to get a thick shell underneath her chin and I'm worried that she's just growing too much. it also seems as though her legs are chafing from her shell when she walks. I'm taking to the vets tomorrow to be seen but I'm worried I've been doing things wrong and making her ill.

She is now 5 years old.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 01:38 PM

Hi foxjo

Have you got any pics you can upload for us too see?
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 02:34 PM

Hi Matt thanks for replying.

Managed to nip home and take some photos

 

 

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 05:07 PM

Hi foxjo
Hes got very bad prymiding to him shell,do u give him calcium suppliment everyday on his food?if not i would start doing this as you dont want him getting MBD thats if he hasnt allready got it!do you hibernate him at all?his beak is way over grown (parrott beak)should be at least half that size!you will need the vet to file his beak down.what food do you feed him?
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:49 PM

Regarding his over long beak......introducing a piece of slate or stone to feed off will soon file it down, as will allowing him to bite and tear his weeds. Certainly see if your vet will clip it shorter, but introducing a slate will help keep it short x x hugs x

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:26 PM

Thanks for the replies I am horrified to think ive been looking after her so badly! I tried to hibernate her last yr but the fridge went faulty after two weeks and I had to wake her up. Can this be fixed? Or have I caused permanent damage?

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:27 PM

Oh and stellla she has a slate she walks over several times a day. I feed her bagged lettuce

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:50 PM

Hi foxjo
The pyramiding of the shell is perminant but the the beak can easily be fixed,as stella said feed him on the slate because as he feeds he will slowly wear his beak down on the slate.i would definatly use nutribol everyday on his food,i would stay clear of bagged lettuce as no real goodness in them,feed plenty of fresh weeds and flowers!doesnt cost me a penny to feed mine this time of year :)

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:05 PM

We live in a flat and have only just managed to get a roof box-run put on the roof. The weeds are still growing andthe grass has just grown too. The weather has been horrendous here im hoping for some dry weather this weekend to get her our there on the roof. If baged lettuce isn't good for her how is she growing so big?

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:06 PM

About hibernation,id definatly start hibernating every year if its safe todo so as hes most probs grown way to fast because of not hibernating causeing the shell to look like this!

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:18 PM

Well its a mixture of diet and not hibernating which is causing him to grow like this im guessing,im no expert but i have 8yr olds which are no way near as large as this one and they are feed on only weeds and hibernated every year

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:33 PM

Thank you so much for the advice I guess im just upset that I thought I was doing ok. I really do care for my animals. Will see what the vet says on Friday. If its safe I will try and hibernate this year.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:37 PM

Hi Foxjo,

Matt has given you some excellent advice. You will need to make changes to your torts husbandry if you are to improve his life.

Proper lighting is also necessary for good shell growth.

Finally, I would take him to a vet for a full health check before hibernating him. Take care.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:41 PM

Heres a pic of 1 of my 8yr old females,to be honest might not be a lot of difference in size as pics can be decieving lol.but shes 3yrs older than yours and if you notice her shell doesnt have tall high points to her shell and her beak id short.by all means her shell isnt totally smooth as very hard to acheive this in captivity.mine are out in a large out door enclosure with a heated house 24/7 this time of year so if we have cooler days they may eat very little than on very hot days as they would do in the wild.when in doors their climate is constantly the same so activitly is high and regulary eat like clock work,maybe cut the amount of food down to smaller amounts.if you have no access to weeds and are despirate i use florrette classic crisp salad mix which is ok but not a main diet.i dont use this very often tho.
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:47 PM

Yes totally agree Freddy,if vets says its safe to do so then hibernate him this winter,he will thank you for it :)dont feel bad,if you make changes now im sure he will have a great long healthy life :) im no where near as experienced as most of these guys on here and im still learning lots ,thats why i love this fourm as any questions or worries you have theres always kind people on here to help thats what this fourms all about,the welfare and the husbandry of keeping tortoises :)
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 10:46 PM

The reason for this sort of deformity is overfeeding on incorrect diet, lack of uvb and lack of calcium D3. The damage/appearance is irreversible but it can be made more comfortable by a change of diet, intensive calcium therapy and decent uvb levels. A slate will not file down a beak of this length as it is not lonely long but undershot, with possibly weak joints if calcium/D3 has not been given. Do make sure that your vet knows what they are talking about re tortoises. It's surprising how many dog and cat vets will still do guess work, give vitamin injections and proclaim all is fine, just by looking. Your tortoise needs x-rays and full blood profiles to find the level of MBD and then you need to follow a strict regime to get him back to reasonable health, which will involve a lot of exercise, so a large landscaped area for him to use daily. Under no account should he be hibernated if there is any degree of MBD as his system will not cope with the calcium levels.  



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 11:08 PM

Sue is very experienced so take her advice,id like to have her knoweledge one day :)
Not putting a downer on it but a friend of mine bought 2 russians 4 years ago and keep them in awful conditions in a viv,no uv lighting and fed on lettuce and tomato,after so many times of telling him to change how hes keeping them,he wouldnt.their shells were deformed and they just looked a mess and ill,im guessing they had MBD.4 weeks ago he lost one and yesterday the other one passed away,i was so angry as i told him and he didnt make the change!his was just neglect knowing he was keeping them wrong!but most think they are doing their best for their torts based on the advice from pet shops and other outlets!

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:28 AM

Thank you so much for the advice I guess im just upset that I thought I was doing ok. I really do care for my animals. Will see what the vet says on Friday. If its safe I will try and hibernate this year.

Hi Foxjo, I see you live in the Teesside area can I ask what vet's your planning on using, if you don't mind me asking, as you will need a good vet that knows about tortoises, to give you the correct advice. :)



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 07:57 AM

Hi everyone. thank you for your help I do really need it!

Karen I'm taking her to Bridge vets in Stockton. they have a specialist vet there.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 08:53 AM

I was going to recommend this one but looks like your sorted, let us know how you get on. :)

jacqui paterson vets
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