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#1 TortoiseJay

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Posted 25 December 2014 - 11:12 PM

Hi everyone MERRY CHRISTMAS!

As the title suggests im having trouble identifying the subspecies of my testudo hermanni!

Originally I though he was a boettgeri but I'm not too sure now! If this post doesn't include pics il get some uploaded via the laptop tomorrow!

I think he maybe a mixture of two species as his rear scute is strangely marked!

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Posted 25 December 2014 - 11:55 PM

You need to put plastron pics on showing the rear where the plastron meets the carapace, also very clear head shots. Not sure what you mean about the strange rear scutes. A lot of his markings are caused by too fast growth.

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 11:29 AM

You need to put plastron pics on showing the rear where the plastron meets the carapace, also very clear head shots. Not sure what you mean about the strange rear scutes. A lot of his markings are caused by too fast growth.


Here are some older pics from earlier this year, I feel really bad about him growing too fast his cervical Shute is out of line too, last year all of this wasn't an issue and I feel awful, are these major issues for him? His shell seems smooth and seems okay in himself etc :(

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 11:44 AM

Scute sorry

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 01:39 PM

The miss placed scutes are simply a result of his overcast growth combined with insufficient supplementation. So long as future growth is restricted by minimal feeding, correct temps and levels of uvb, it should not be a major issue, but there is no quick fix, just a change of regime and patience.

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 03:45 PM

The miss placed scutes are simply a result of his overcast growth combined with insufficient supplementation. So long as future growth is restricted by minimal feeding, correct temps and levels of uvb, it should not be a major issue, but there is no quick fix, just a change of regime and patience.


Okay Sue Thankyou, he has had regular supplementation in the form of d3 from above (arcadia d3+ desert 12%) and nutrobal but recently changed to nekton msa is this better? He has acces to cuttlefish and calcium chalk in lumps.

He is going outside next year up until hibernation time again! Just designing a large enclosure as we speak really!

Is the growth overall bad or average and will it get better in time?
Is there any early signs of pyramiding would you say? And any chance of MBD? Would you reccommend X-rays etc next year to check he is 100% healthy?

I hate to think I've caused more harm that needed by trying my best, I've just been reading a few books; naturalistic keeping and the holger vetter one too!

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:25 PM

It's good that he has had correct supplementation, but his growth is still really excessive and as a result his plastron is much longer than it should be, it should be a fair bit smaller than straight carapace length and will not alter now, but hopefully can be prevented from worsening. A decent reptile specialist would be able to tell you from X-ray and bloods the degree of MBD, but treatment would be the same, so slow his growth down right now and give high levels of calcium and uvb. Outdoor enclosures Re essential really for good growth and it's unusual for an outdoor tortoise to gain too much weight, so that will help no end? I take it the book reading is a recent thing, as both of these books advocate slow growth. Both are excellent reading though and will help with future health if read end to end ;)

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:55 PM

Yes read through to the end I had one book as soon as I got him but it wasn't in depth enough really! I think over the past year I have over fed quite abit. This will be corrected after hibernation once in the new outdoor enclosure, I'm going to get him booked into my local exotic manor vets as he's been there before when I first got him for an overall checkup, I ask for X-rays and bloods to be done for MBD results etc!

Thanks again Sue il try and get some new pics up tomorrow to try and determine exact subspecies!

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 09:13 PM

So far he is looking boettgeri. Def not hermanni hermanni, but your fingers are obscuring the area where the inguinal scutes would be. On the other pics they are not too clear.




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