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#1 sellwin90

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 11:09 AM

I've had Edward a month now and I was wondering if it's worth taking him to see the specialist exotic vet in Plymouth?

 

Whereas I've not had any huge worries recently, he hasn't eaten a lot this past week and hasn't excreted in any form in over a week - I was wondering if it was worth taking him or would it just disturb him too much and unsettle him again?

 

 



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Posted 16 February 2015 - 12:49 PM

Unless he is actually ill I would not be going to the vet. Inappetance is common at this time of year particularly with pet shop torts. Remember he will be highly geared to do what wild torts do at this time of year, which is not eating and sleeping more. Are you weighing him regularly? If so what is he gaining? A month really is early days and taking him to the vets will just add to the stress of moving. Tortoises do eat poop, so you may well have missed this. The can actually go for several weeks without anyway, so unless he is losing weight, this is not a problem. Do remember to keep him well hydrated and a warm bath often encourages eating. Are your temps getting up to 32 degrees?

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 01:46 PM

Weighing him on the week - which is tomorrow. So far it's been 102g, 101g, 99g, 99g. It looks like he has lost weight but I weighed him after his bath on his first check and don't remember if it was before or after bath on the second weight check. The other 2 have been before bath time. I seem to remember you saying that for his age (2 or 3) that a little bit of weight loss wouldn't do much harm as he's overweight anyway.

 

Temperature hits 32 under the lamp, and I try to scatter the food around the heat as well as in the cool, so he can choose to eat after basking. His eating isn't that bad, but I tend to give him gem lettuce on days I go to work for ease (twice a week for day shifts) and he always prefers eating more then instead of weeds (mixture of plantain, dandelion and mallow).

 

He bathes in warm water every day, however he hardly ever gets to 15 minutes of bathing as he seems to hate it and tries to climb out. His average bath time I'd say would be around 8-10 minutes.

 

I do know that they can eat their own poop - but he hasn't urated either, which he's done a few times after bathing. 



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Posted 16 February 2015 - 02:13 PM

Yes, it will do no harm, but he still has to fill his shell, whatever his weight, so you can't reduce like you would a mammal. 4 or 5 grams at that size is nothing though, so don't worry. The urates mean nothing either so long as you don't see gritty ones, they are just excess uric acid and sometimes you don't see them for weeks. Dehydrated torts pass gritty ones and then more as they areimproving, but really well hydrated torts can pass hardly any, it all depends on how much water is taken on board. Hope this helps ;)

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 02:36 PM

They haven't been gritty as far as I'm aware. Smooth with a white bit which I thought was normal? 

 

I'll hold off on the vet for the time being then, if nothing I'm describing is alarming. It wasn't that I was worried, more that I thought maybe he could do with a check up just to check him out.



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Posted 16 February 2015 - 02:45 PM

Lots of vets will see tortoises for check ups, but my vet friend agrees that this is just a money maker and there is nothing they can tell you that you can't see for yourself unless bloods or swabs are done, which would not make a lot of sense and just open them up to infection from other animals and stress ;)

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Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:40 AM

I ended up taking Edward last week as he was showing signs of RNS. The vet agreed but suggested we don't give him any antibiotics yet because she's reluctant to do so if she can avoid it. She suggested upping the temperatures to see if Edward can clear it himself.

5 days down the line and he hasn't had as many snot bubbles but does still have them occasionally but today he's started sneezing with a squeak. He still attempts to sleep all day and isn't overly active.

Time to give the vet another call?

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Posted 22 February 2015 - 11:13 AM

Excellent advice from that vet. Most tortoise problems are environmental and can be cured without the use of drugs. My stepbrother used to rush to the Dr for every cold and was given antibiotics regularly, now he succumbs to everything that is going. Luckily doctors have learned the error of overprescribing and some vets too. I'd def give your vet another call in case there is an underlying problem such as a grain of dirt stuck in a nare. This can cause infection and the vet may suggest a swab to see what is causing it and ab's if his lungs are crackling too. Good luck, keep him warmer than usual meanwhile and overnight too ;)

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Posted 22 February 2015 - 12:09 PM

She had a look in his nostrils and there was nothing in there but obviously that could've changed in the 5 days. She checked his mouth too and there was no sign of any infection etc

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 08:42 AM

She would not be able to tell really, as there could have been something lodged in a sinus area. They often nebulise for this ;)

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 07:48 PM

Since this has begun, Edward has hardly eaten. I know in the past Sue, you said not to worry but it looks like he hasn't eaten anything in over a week.

His weight is still 95g, but I'm worried he won't have energy etc.

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 08:05 PM

Hi
A week is nothing to worry about regards the feeding as long as you keep hydration up and if theres no weight loss then this showing good hydration.perhaps maybe take him back to the vets and suggest what Sue mentioned using the nebulise,a healthy tort wont starve its self but to be honest ive never had a tort goes this long with out eating if tempts are right and not stressed

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 09:27 PM

He ended up going on antibiotics (whether agreed with or not) as he wasn't ridding his runny nose on his own.

Temps are good, still higher than usual whilst on ABs, but doesn't eat any weeds he had in the past (dandelion, mellow and plantain) and I tried gem lettuce last couple of days and still nothing. Bought some lambs lettuce today to try tomorrow

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 09:30 PM

Since this has begun, Edward has hardly eaten. I know in the past Sue, you said not to worry but it looks like he hasn't eaten anything in over a week.
His weight is still 95g, but I'm worried he won't have energy etc.
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It won't affect energy, as this is not how torts work. I have two steaming around tight now that came out of hibernation this morning. You are right though to wonder if it's time for a check up if you think he is sick. If it was me, I would be just keeping an eye on things a while longer, but it's impossible to know fully what us going on on an Internet forum, so if it makes you feel better then a vets visit might help. Do be careful though that it's an exotics vet as a normal one could do more harm than good. Don't accept vitamin therapy, but you coukd try a little reptoboost if you like!

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 09:53 PM

Haha sue, you definitely do reply to too many posts and forums. He's already been taken as we've discussed in this post already :-P

What's reptoboost?

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 09:58 PM

Realise that, but thought post was leading towards another visit as unhappy still.
Reptoboost is an electrolyte soak for tortoises with poor appetite that has gone on until weight loss is apparent. Not to be used for general boosts, such as post hibernation, but can be helpful when all else fails.

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 10:48 PM

I don't want to take him back just yet as his RNS is clearing - not as often snot bubbles but they do occur occasionally. Just worried about his appetite. I'll order and see what happens in the interim

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 10:58 PM

Did you keep his temp up overnight while on AB's?

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 11:04 PM

Yes. I put a ceramic heater in and wherever he falls asleep put it near to him. The thermostat is set at 30

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 02:38 PM

Just an update on this.

It's day 6 of reptoboost, still not eating. He's maintaining weight well, but is now at 94g. He was 102g when I first got him. When do I need to start worrying about his weight. As this is close to 10% of his weight he has lost




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