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#1 sellwin90

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 05:21 PM

Bit of help/advice please. My tort today has developed an underbite. I understand it wouldn't have developed today but up until today he shut his mouth perfectly.

Is there anyway this can be solved, or at least, made less worse. It makes me sad looking at him.

I've got some pictures but they aren't the best

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 05:24 PM

Here's a picture of him two days ago sleeping under his plant, as you can see, his mouth seems perfect then

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 05:31 PM

Ok, its now gone back to normal, but still, something can't totally be right?

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 05:51 PM

Ok now scrap my last post. It seems to be in then out. Maybe one of his beaks could be too long and it's catching so needs to be filed?

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 08:02 PM

His lower jaw is certainly overgrown. It needs to be trimmed, but depending on how he's fed, it could be dislocating, so I would advise you take him to an experienced chelonian vet as if this is the case, handling the joint could be very painful for him. Usually the top mandible is the one to get overgrown. How and what are you feeding him?

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 11:15 PM

I pick weeds for him, tends to be on a mix of plantain, dandelion, mallow, cats paw and lambs lettuce. Very little in the way of lambs and I'd say predominantly plantain. It's full leaves so he has to chew, rip etc and it's on a ceramic dish/slate.

I don't have a dedicated chelonian vet in Plymouth 😔 I hope it isn't dislocated 😔😔😔 was trying to feed him this evening with a bit of food wrapped round the skate so he was filing his beak type thing

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 11:25 PM

The slate won't really help at this stage, as it needs to be trimmed in line with the top. Does he have daily calcium and D3?

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 11:42 PM

He has it topped with what was nutrobel daily, but just changed to nekton in the last week.

Has everything I've said sounded correct, what could've caused this?

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 11:44 PM

Overgrown beaks are almost always a dietry related problem. Try giving him some hard cauliflower stalk to bite on.

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 11:47 PM

Ok will try that, why is that better?

In my opinion, his diet is pretty good, or would you say otherwise from what I've said?

Do you know of a very located in or close to Plymouth?

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 11:48 PM

And cauliflower is a do not feed on the tort table?

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:38 PM

Yes, cauliflower is a no feed as its a brassica, but the middle stalk is great for wearing down beaks, especially for those with weaker jaws, prone to underbite. I would never advise feeding of cauliflower to torts as part of the diet, but in thirty odd years, I've seen lots of rescues beaks strengthened by biting on them and never seen one eaten yet. It's impossible to comment on your torts diet, but if the lower mandible has grown that amount, it's leasing me to think that he's not picking his own weeds and possibly eating young floppy leaves rather than tearing at a whole woody plant. Under bites don't happen in wild torts, so we obviously have to look at a cause in pet ones. While the tort table is an excellent source of what is toxic and what is not, it's not a true pic of what wild torts eat ;) Did you know that wild torts eat huge amounts of buttercups in spring and will also nibble the first leaves and flowers of poppies. We have it documented from the late nineties while watching torts in the Antalya region ;)

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 03:05 PM

So when selecting my weeds how do I go about choosing the better weeds etc for him to eat?




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