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#1 bexy88

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Posted 10 July 2016 - 02:02 PM

I had a 1 year old Herman tortoise who sadly I found passed away yesterday
He had been perfectly healthy until 2 weeks ago when I noticed he wasn't eating but I couldn't see any physical signs of illness (no noises, mucus, discolouring or anything). I kept giving him 2 daily baths through this time then had the vet appointnent on Friday
She went through his keeping/diet with me and said it sounded though I was doing everything right then gave him an anti biotic injection saying he possibly could have an infection.
He fell asleep once home and never woke up again. I have no idea What the actual cause was or if the anti biotic could have just had a bad reaction ? Has anyone experienced anything similar ?

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 04:28 AM

I had a 1 year old Herman tortoise who sadly I found passed away yesterday
He had been perfectly healthy until 2 weeks ago when I noticed he wasn't eating but I couldn't see any physical signs of illness (no noises, mucus, discolouring or anything). I kept giving him 2 daily baths through this time then had the vet appointnent on Friday
She went through his keeping/diet with me and said it sounded though I was doing everything right then gave him an anti biotic injection saying he possibly could have an infection.
He fell asleep once home and never woke up again. I have no idea What the actual cause was or if the anti biotic could have just had a bad reaction ? Has anyone experienced anything similar ?

Hi bexy,

Im so sorry to hear about your little one it's so sad :(

I haven't experienced any thing like this myself, but I do feel at the minute some vets are too happy just putting antibiotics in to these tortoises on a whim saying he could possibly have an infection, did the vet say to up the temperatures over night at all while they had given them the antibiotics.

Sadly it's one of them situations that your not going to get an answer too, but hopefully Sue will be along this morning to add more. :)



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Posted 11 July 2016 - 04:20 PM

No they didn't mention having them hotter. I gave him a bath then turned his lights out at the normal time.
Once morning came he was no longer there. There were no signs of pain or anything im glad just so shocked it happened I assumed if he had had an infection the anti biotic would help it not worsen it .

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 07:05 PM

Sorry, had a busy few days. I agree re the antibiotics, far too many vets are giving them without doing any diagnosis first. I'm also concerned about the amount of vets at the moment calling themselves specialists, it's very worrying and in many cases just a way of charging inflated prices. It's always worth finding your nearest specialist vet, bearing in mind they are very unlikely to be on the doorstep. When I first moved here I had a two and a half hour round trip to my nearest. As Karen says, it's imperative to give tortoises 24 hour heat while on antibiotics as they are cold blooded and tortoises can't utilise the medication while cold. Hopefully this was not the cause of death, but I would definitely check this vets qualifications before using again. So sorry for your loss :(

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 07:20 PM

I have always used a specialist vet for my tortoises. Have seen that they are also recommended on this Web site.
I did use a more local vet for my cat (no longer with us, had a good life and died of old age), but I remember mentioning to this vet that I had tortoises and he was very keen to get me to use him in future. I declined, but was amazed that having no experience was wanting to experiment with my tortoises. Just goes to show you and why I would always go with recommendations.

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:22 PM

The vets website states they have a history of dealing with reptiles and they did recommend to me that this was the vet that was most specialist on the subject in the practice although I don't know if that just meant she knew a bit more than the others who knew very little.
I wish I had known to keep his heat on :( don't imagine there is anyway to find the actual cause of death ?

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 08:41 AM

Only by doing a postmortem, for which it would have been necessary to preserve the body between death and checking, by keeping very cool. I don't suppose you know the antibiotic given. When a vet has their training, which is longer than for the average doctor, they spend something like a few days on reptiles, this I was told by an exotics vet. If they want to specialise in reptiles they have to train separately to gain further qualifications. Yes, there are lots of vets who have a keen interest in reptiles, but we need to remember that without the correct training, they are just practising when they come across a new case and that along the way they will choose the wrong treatment which is how they will learn. Not good for the owner though. I'm a bit shocked to be honest that anyone claiming to be a reptile vet would not tell you the importance of keeping the tortoise warm to keep the medication working. That would have been the first and most important thing to tell the owner. Do we know this vet? Hopefully they are not on the recommended list.




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