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Posted 20 January 2006 - 10:46 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-01-06 AT 11:04 PM (GMT)]I am taking Tilley to the vets tomorrow for check up, Possible RNS and a routine worming...
I asked the vets about a powder wormer and they said that their wormer was administered by them through a tube into the stomach... Is this quite usual??
I'm am quite anxious about this, as I think it will really stress the tort out?
The info I was kindly given the other day over this forum, from someone who had just been to the vets for the very same reasons, certainly had powder wormer that was administered by the owner.

Please let me know any thoughts/info/advice you have on this.... VETS TOMORROW...thanks
claire:'( :'(

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 11:46 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-01-06 AT 11:47 PM (GMT)]I wouldnt advise having her wormed unless she is infected.
Take a faecal sample to the vets for them to look at and determine if she has worms.
Worming should only be done if there are signs of them.
Tortoise passing them, or slowing down in eating, and sluggishness. Medicines should be kept to a minimum.
I have had my Tortoises 12 months and have had no problems.
I wouldn't put them through it unless it was absolutly necessary.

Hope this helps a little.







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Posted 21 January 2006 - 08:29 AM

Hi Claire
If your tortoise vet is experienced with tortoises worming via stomach tube is really easy and gives the best results , i do all my own worming with a wormer called panacur 2.5% suspetion via stomach tube, this drug is really effective and safe to use usually you need a second dose in 14 days but if your worried about it like joanne has said why not get the tortoises faeces screen first then if there are no worms you will not need it doing
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 03:36 PM

thanks for the feedback, unfortunately (I have mentioned on someone elses thread) she hasnt had any motions yet, so am unable to provide a sample ... this is another thing I want to ask the vet..
keep you updated.
claire:-( :-(

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 03:42 PM

Hello Claire
I have all my torts tubed with System x, they are all adults, never had to have a small one tubed, that might prove difficult, but I'm sure your vet will know what he is doing how much does Tilley weigh??
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 03:54 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 21-01-06 AT 03:55 PM (GMT)]My sister had her vet worm one of her five year olds and he couldn't get his mouth open to insert the tube so he took the tortoise in for the day but someone who worked at the vets told her after that they had such a job and the tort was very obviously stressed from them having to put a clamp in it's mouth to insert the tube. She hasn't been back to that vet since. Someone told me the best way to get a tort to open it's mouth is to hold it's back legs in while standing it up, and yeah it does work without any stress to the tort, it's head comes out and it's mouth opens up as a reaction to pushing down on it's back legs and it's less stressful for the animal. Much better then a clamp.:)

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 04:20 PM

I had my adult red foots wormed, they used system x, it took the vet ages to get their mouths open. I would have there poo tested for worms before you have her wormed, most good vets wont worm her untill they know she has worms. I would just keep up with baths and wait until she has a poo and the send the sample off to be checked.

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 07:51 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 21-01-06 AT 07:59 PM (GMT)]Hi there, been to vets, very traumatic... she apparently is grossly under weight, they dont actually have a Jackson scale low enough to officially tell how much.. they also said that they thought she was a year old and not 2 years like I was told when buying. Her shell is a little soft, No muscle tone.... Do I need to go on. I am so very upset and angry at the place I bought her from. One big mistake I have learn from, not getting her through a reputable breeder.... still doesnt change the fact that she is poorly....
I want to cry, it has upset me so much.
she has been given elctrlyte stuff to bath in, but because she hasnt yet passed a motion, they are concerned there may be a blockage and so I am not able to feed her until she physically starts to drink and 'Poo'.
shes drastically underweight, and they want me to stop feeding her. this is killing me....
got the vets again week monday, they may take her in if nothing has improved on the 'poo' and drinking front...
All pray for her/him please... whoops, forgot to give weight: 54 grams and 60mm.
also, is there a measurement scale that goes lower than the Jackson scale?? please advise
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 07:59 PM

Awwww Poor little thing, I do hope she will be ok, I will prey for her recovery, I feel sad for your tortoise now, Keep us informed on how she gets on and I will keep my fingers crossed for her.
Bless XXX:(



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Posted 22 January 2006 - 06:49 PM

Hi Claire,
Hows Tilly? Any News? I hope she's feeling better.
Keeping my fingers crossed for her and sending a prayer.
Keep us informed on how she's getting on.



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Posted 23 January 2006 - 01:34 PM

Hiya Claire.

I'm really sorry to hear about little Tilly. She would have been poorly whether you got her or not, so at least now she is with you she's getting the best care possible. Good luck with everything, keep us updated.

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Posted 23 January 2006 - 01:53 PM

Hello Beth
Read the thread "Toilet trouble" there's really good news on Tilly
Arnie

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Posted 23 January 2006 - 09:51 PM

Hi there, thanks for all the good wishes... Someone is obviously looking down on her, because she has now done 3 poo's all in all. Have started to feed her again today... she had a right monk on with us yesterday, swear it was because she didnt get any food. they give you the evil eye!!
she also seems more active today, although I am worried about her exerting too much energy.
On that note, thanks for the hatchling jackson scale... fantastic... I am now concerned about whether the vet actually knows what she is on about... according to the scale tilley is spot on... maybe I should buy her some weights and a step up block so she can build some muscle tone up!!
supposed to be going back to vets, but am in too minds whether to change to another vets.
I have had far more help and advice off this forum than the vets have given me. they have just made me panic.
as for the place I got her from.... I am appauled that they can get away with selling these little ones on. I am choosing my words carefully before taking it further ....
Is it possible that If I post on a couple of pictures of tilley from behind (legs) someone could give me thier oppinion on whether she looks underweight .... Its just for an Idea, you all seem to know so much more..!! next problem,, tried to post pics the other day but to no avail.. how do I do it (please !)
thanks everyone
claire and tilley.:) :)

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Posted 24 January 2006 - 05:54 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 24-01-06 AT 05:54 PM (GMT)]Honey if I were you I'd let the tort settle and start eating properly before worrying about whether she is underweight etc. Sorry to say it but a good percentage of vets haven't got a clue about torts and it took us a long time to find one we could trust and know that he understood a torts needs, it may take you time too. If you don't feel happy with the vet it's best to change. If you tell us what area you are in we may know a vet we could recommend. It's difficult to go by a picture to know for sure whether a tort is underweight or not. If the jackson scale says she is spot on then thats cool, don't panic, get your tort into a good eating, pooing/peeing routine and back into tip top condition.:)

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Posted 24 January 2006 - 10:45 PM

Hi there, I live near Portsmouth (hampshire).
I did ask whether the vets specialised in exotics etc and they said that they had a nurse and vet that took a special interest in torts and that they had them of thier own. by this I thought they should certainly know what they are on about surely,, not only having their own but on top of being a vet...????
mmmmmmm
anyway. she does seem to be in quite a good routine and is being fed again, but she is still not as active (more active than in the first 2 weeks) as others appear to be having read this forum back to front and upside down everyday!!
I realise they are all individuals, but am obviously a little worried at the mo.
I am definately going to continue with the electrolyte stuff and maintain her routine. May just leave the vets for now as you suggested earlier (think it was you!) need to build her strength and possibly weight up first anyway, so really dont need to waste anymore money when I can spend it on her instead!!!! may buy her a new rock for the enclosure i think!! just kidding!
thanks again
claire and tilley:) :-)




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